That’s a fantastic idea, didn’t think of that before. That’s why I posted my question here, for gems like this!

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a different and maybe a more difficult approach compared to some of these, but studying counterpoint has been very helpful for me, even on the modular. traditional counterpoint is rather strict but it wouldn’t hurt to check out some of bach’s two part inventions or 3 part sinfonias. although your question is referring to just one voice, in ideal counterpoint, each voice should still be significant enough to stand on its own (monophonically)

it’s been a bit since i’ve looked at them, but invention #9 in F minor is a good one. that one in particular is a good example of how to take 1 or 2 ideas and shift them around in interesting ways; a useful trick when sequencers often have only 8 or 16 steps.

but if you’re not down with classical music, the book “Making Music: 74 Creative Strategies…” has a great chapter that analyzes the counterpoint in a boards of canada track

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Sure thing. Over in the Junto Slack, there’s a discussion going on about Russo’s book Composing Music. The discussion was initiated by the generous @ntrier. The idea is to work through the book’s composition exercises. The first project is due by January 29. If you want to participate, shoot me a request to join the Slack at marc@disquiet.com.

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Awesome, thanks. Once I get the book (supposed to be delivered on Thursday) I’ll look it over and see about joining the slack channel from there!

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how is your music theory knowledge and note-reading skills?

There are various approaches to constructing melodies - as @jasonw22 said, “Composing Music” starts out with unaccompanied melodies. It also has a chapter on analyzing melodies by mapping their notes onto a grid, which is an interesting way to approach it.

You could also check out some Gregorian chant (many would say singable melodies are the best melodies…)

I can drop some music theory knowledge, but I am very ignorant of modular rigs, so I don’t know how you might want to translate this (but I would be super interested to hear about your progress!)

My music theory students learned a Western classical approach to writing melodies - I’ll just dump it here:

Western classical music says all good melodies have two parts: an antecedent phrase and a consequent phrase. The antecedent asks the question, the consequent answers it. (https://sites.google.com/a/egrps.org/ib-music-interactive/home/sound/melody/phrases)

Generally, an antecedent ends on a note other than the first degree of the scale; scale degrees 2 5 and 7 are solid choices. A consequent phrase will wrap everything up, often (but not always) on scale degree #1, sometimes #3 or #5, but those are a less declarative ending to the phrase.

You can also analyze phrases by looking at if they are:

  • Regular length (2 measure, 4 measures) or Irregular length (either)
  • Long or short
  • Flowing (all the notes are next to each other) or Fragmented (jumps between the notes)

The phrases in the melody to Angels We Have Heard on High, for example, are “flowing:”

Then I show my students this Ligeti piece to make sure we’re not taking the rules too seriously:

And If it inspires you, here is a playlist I made of mostly monophonic solo instruments.

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Maybe you can try copying some melodies you really like and see what characteristics they might share? The process of emulating can get you into certain habits that will provoke results later when you’re fiddling.

Also, +1 to @ellips_s re: counterpoint — harmony is vertical, melody is horizontal, and counterpoint is how western music moved from the single lines of gregorian chant to stacked horizontal lines to vertical harmonies. Could be interesting to study for overall musical knowledge.

Also, I’m blown away by the melodies in a lot of folk music traditions, especially the ones with solo singers. If I come across any outstanding videos, I’ll post them. Melody arguably originated in singing, though instrumental music has had its own effect on the concept, but definitely singing is part of it.

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I’m thinking that will inspire some great ideas using pitched buffers on the ER-301.

Speaking of that, it’s technically 2 voices, but I love this video by @tehn . He constructs quite a bit with a small modular setup and MLR, exploring transposition/looping:

One other thing loosely surrounding writing melodies without chords is this Laurie Spiegel article, titled ‘Manipulations of Musical Patterns’. It’s a great read to shake you out of thinking around chords and more about melodies.

http://retiary.org/ls/writings/musical_manip.html

Found it originally in this thread:

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Actually, let me flip this - is there a way I could begin to experiment with constructing melodies (and only melodies) using VCV Rack?

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Would add that you can follow and create a chord structure monophonically with arpeggios.

From a tonal western perspective you can think of building tension and releasing it through resolution. There’s loads out there regarding that, not least of which is above. I’m digging around for an interesting chart I stumbled across last year and will post when I find it.

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This reminds me of the web app port of her music mouse app that I think I discovered here. It’s super fun and I could see it being useful in exploring melodies and keys/scales/modes.

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@ntrier wow thanks for all the great information. I’ve added the videos you’ve shared to my watchlist and will devour them soon, thank you! And thanks for the doc!

@horridus I agree that the modular world gives the freedom to find your own way, so to speak, without the limitations of traditional possibilities. I feel like I need to be comfortable in the basics and know the “rules” before I start to break them, if that makes sense. Your post did inspire me to not be so hard on myself for experimenting though, so thank you!

@Jonny thanks for the video as well as Laurie Spiegel’s article! Super inspiring

@healthylives I feel I’m pretty good with arpeggio style, fairly fast note combinations. Where I am weak is the more slow, single note progressions that are sustained for a few beats or even bars. I want to get to the point where I can have a subtle arpeggio-style undercurrent with held notes floating in on the surface to create more beautiful and evolving pieces.

Thanks everyone for this great discussion, I’m learning a ton!

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Likewise learning a lot here! One thought, if you have created a basic progression/structure, and can have that going as a “subtle undercurrent”, you might try singing over top of things. Record yourself, and transcribe it back as a lead synth line. Might lead you in some surprising directions!

Short answer is “yes”.

Longer answer:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=getting+started+with+vcv+rack

Let us know what your specific questions are when you bump into them. There are some great “learning modular” threads here on lines where we could dive deep.

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Ah! Music Mouse! I loved this musical tool and used it for study and performance art in 1989+.
I wrote Laurie Spiegel, got an upgrade and then, poof, new OS, not compatible. It ran on a Mac512K, a PowerBook 100 too. Got the disk still.
And the web app based on it is very good look-and-feel. I wonder if the keyboard shortcuts work with it, and MIDI In. Power to the iPads.

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@ammo I believe that there are quite a few keyboard shortcuts and midi features…it’s a pretty full-featured app! I’ve been collecting random web apps here if you want to take a look to see if any others are inspiring. Wild to think about how much is just instantly accessible and a click away these days.
Web apps for music/video/etc. making

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As an old bebop player, I’m a huge fan of Hal Galper and his teaching. But not all melodies follow chord progressions. There are entire styles of music that have no harmony at all, commonly found in the mid-East and south Asia. There, musicians build melodies from scales alone, and know not of harmony.

Edit: Just realized I responded to a post nearly two years old. Good thread, though.

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What is a scale but an extended chord? Cmaj7+9+11+13.

But I get your point.

I just got the book “Self-Similar Melodies” by Tom Johnson. I’ve only read a few random pages, but it’s about different ways to structure melodies by using math and what are basically algorithms instead of classical-music-derived harmony

From the intro:

Self-similar melodies are melodies constructed entirely by repeated applications of a single procedure.

There’s some music notation in it but a whole lot more mathy diagrams (:heart_eyes:) . The music notation is just one line at a time, so it’s not like a dense music theory textbook or anything.

I was looking for a cover to post, but…it appears there is an extensive preview on his website (thanks @wheelersounds for checking it out more thoroughly than me!)

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Seems like it’s only an extensive preview, but great find!

We were just discussing that book a month or so ago over here:

https://llllllll.co/t/sequencer-strategies/25375/29?u=electricanada